Siyamak sits down with JConr Ortega, homeless advocate in San Francisco. He talks about why the homeless in San Francisco are not getting the help they need to get off the streets. We also invited another guest, Tony Hall, former member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, to give us his insights into why the downward spiral is hard to stop.

“I’ve been homeless for 20 years. There’s a lot of incentive to not actually get off the streets, which we see a lot in San Francisco. And that goes back to the fact that a lot of nonprofits encourage homelessness … They’re given all this money, but they’re not actually given an audit of how they actually spend the money.”

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